Jury portion of the game and my rants about it!
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Jury portion of the game and my rants about it!
by The Mad Hatter Sun 4 Oct - 18:17:31
Let's see, I've now played 3 mystery games and 4 regular games. This is my 4th time being a juror and I gotta say, this is not a no-brainer vote for me like the rest have been.
This may been one of the strongest finals I've seen in a game and I thought mine with Sam was pretty impressive.
I know I've been giving Red and Jiminy sh!t about their games, but there's a reason for it.
Three reasons actually.
1) Hook was my final 2 and we agreed to be nice and help each other in finals. I believe he would've done the same for me.
2) He doesn't have his partner in the finals to spice up his game like Red and Jiminy do. They're all about each other and he doesn't have that. It balances out.
3. And most importantly, I believe that Hook's game is just as impressive as Red and Jiminy's and deserves merit too. But also, the way Red and Jiminy have played would have given them serious flack in other games... I've seen it done before. This time shouldn't be any different.
Red- Ok, I admit she was sly. She lied a lot and did it almost perfectly. But there are boundaries sometimes and I feel like she didn't think much about the jury aspect. She basically said she turned off her emotions sometimes- which it's a game, we have to sometimes, but she was so personal with people that it now makes the jury question if anything we talked with her about was real or not... Also, she was so sly, but really it's coming off a lot like she was Jiminy's side b!tch and now wants credit for it... In some circles, she'd be considered a "floater" since essentially, she played the middle. If Jiminy had left, she would've been able to work with the girls, but still would've bounced between Hook and I. I guess that's what she's basically saying? And also, I've seen people in games be burned for taking a more obvious "winner" to the end out of a need for "loyalty". Like, Jiminy of all people? She's trying to butter Belle up like, you would've won hands down, yada yada. But I think Belle would've gotten Mal and Tink's vote (and maybe Regina, if that), if Belle was up against Red and Hook. So that whole argument sounds so fake to me... Just admit you brought someone that's hard to beat and you messed up. Come on.... She says she played a skillful game, but for all intents and purposes, she screwed literally everyone over for the sake of someone who's a bigger threat than she was...
Jiminy- He played a more obvious "good game." I respect his game a lot and it makes this vote really hard for me, because he was a threat and a target and he still convinced people to keep him around. That's impressive as well. My qualms with his game come down to how almost reckless his game was. Ok, firstly, he also screwed almost everyone over except Red. He was just more obvious about it than she was. But he also neglected jury management as well. You can't just act like he did and expect people's votes "just because". He reminds me almost of a Russell Hantz except *maybe* a little smarter. That guy screwed everyone over and was this huge "mastermind" but pissed everyone off. And he didn't win... Also, Jiminy's game was really haphazard at times. The week he nominated Pan and wanted him out, then nominated Mulan and Genie of all people? It was so careless. He pissed off 2 Crazy Eights members and THEN had Genie evicted. What the actual fvck?! That was mine and almost everyone else's opinions that week. Things like that were really sloppy and I don't feel like Red or Hook made such odd and possibly damaging choices as Jiminy did. Also, I really do feel like Jiminy's game relied a lot on luck, more-so than Red or Hook's games did. Jiminy was such a huge threat to everyone that I really feel like one wrong HOH would've screwed him up royally because he was such an obvious target. That being said, he DID make finals and that's super impressive.
Hook- Similar to Red's game, he was a little more low-key. HOWEVER, Hook won more than she did and was more "out there" in placing himself as a target than she was. Less a target than Jiminy though obviously. Hook and I had an "obvious" final 2, which could be seen as stupid (I agree), because we put ourselves too obviously together. But it's also impressive that he made finals with that obvious target on his back. However (again I know lol), his game isn't as easy for him to defend as Red and Jiminy's games were. That's his downfall. He did do an impressive amount of work, but he didn't really explain as much to the jury until towards the end. And his game isn't as obvious as the others, which may hurt him. I think his "social" game did falter more than Red and Jiminy's games did, and that's where he lacks. Difference with him is, he had me doing a lot of the social work, and Red/Jiminy split theirs up more I think (with Red possibly having the upper hand over Jiminy on that front). Hook's game is impressive but is it enough to award?
That's my thoughts on the final 3. They're all strong in their own right, but have lacking areas in their games.
Jiminy- too haphazard in playing (abrasiveness) and poor jury management
Red- poor jury management and not enough obvious moves
Hook- not enough obvious moves and lacking social game
So... what do I do now? I still have a day to decide and I'll think more on it. I am NOT biased! I'm really torn on this legitimately...
This may been one of the strongest finals I've seen in a game and I thought mine with Sam was pretty impressive.
I know I've been giving Red and Jiminy sh!t about their games, but there's a reason for it.
Three reasons actually.
1) Hook was my final 2 and we agreed to be nice and help each other in finals. I believe he would've done the same for me.
2) He doesn't have his partner in the finals to spice up his game like Red and Jiminy do. They're all about each other and he doesn't have that. It balances out.
3. And most importantly, I believe that Hook's game is just as impressive as Red and Jiminy's and deserves merit too. But also, the way Red and Jiminy have played would have given them serious flack in other games... I've seen it done before. This time shouldn't be any different.
Red- Ok, I admit she was sly. She lied a lot and did it almost perfectly. But there are boundaries sometimes and I feel like she didn't think much about the jury aspect. She basically said she turned off her emotions sometimes- which it's a game, we have to sometimes, but she was so personal with people that it now makes the jury question if anything we talked with her about was real or not... Also, she was so sly, but really it's coming off a lot like she was Jiminy's side b!tch and now wants credit for it... In some circles, she'd be considered a "floater" since essentially, she played the middle. If Jiminy had left, she would've been able to work with the girls, but still would've bounced between Hook and I. I guess that's what she's basically saying? And also, I've seen people in games be burned for taking a more obvious "winner" to the end out of a need for "loyalty". Like, Jiminy of all people? She's trying to butter Belle up like, you would've won hands down, yada yada. But I think Belle would've gotten Mal and Tink's vote (and maybe Regina, if that), if Belle was up against Red and Hook. So that whole argument sounds so fake to me... Just admit you brought someone that's hard to beat and you messed up. Come on.... She says she played a skillful game, but for all intents and purposes, she screwed literally everyone over for the sake of someone who's a bigger threat than she was...
Jiminy- He played a more obvious "good game." I respect his game a lot and it makes this vote really hard for me, because he was a threat and a target and he still convinced people to keep him around. That's impressive as well. My qualms with his game come down to how almost reckless his game was. Ok, firstly, he also screwed almost everyone over except Red. He was just more obvious about it than she was. But he also neglected jury management as well. You can't just act like he did and expect people's votes "just because". He reminds me almost of a Russell Hantz except *maybe* a little smarter. That guy screwed everyone over and was this huge "mastermind" but pissed everyone off. And he didn't win... Also, Jiminy's game was really haphazard at times. The week he nominated Pan and wanted him out, then nominated Mulan and Genie of all people? It was so careless. He pissed off 2 Crazy Eights members and THEN had Genie evicted. What the actual fvck?! That was mine and almost everyone else's opinions that week. Things like that were really sloppy and I don't feel like Red or Hook made such odd and possibly damaging choices as Jiminy did. Also, I really do feel like Jiminy's game relied a lot on luck, more-so than Red or Hook's games did. Jiminy was such a huge threat to everyone that I really feel like one wrong HOH would've screwed him up royally because he was such an obvious target. That being said, he DID make finals and that's super impressive.
Hook- Similar to Red's game, he was a little more low-key. HOWEVER, Hook won more than she did and was more "out there" in placing himself as a target than she was. Less a target than Jiminy though obviously. Hook and I had an "obvious" final 2, which could be seen as stupid (I agree), because we put ourselves too obviously together. But it's also impressive that he made finals with that obvious target on his back. However (again I know lol), his game isn't as easy for him to defend as Red and Jiminy's games were. That's his downfall. He did do an impressive amount of work, but he didn't really explain as much to the jury until towards the end. And his game isn't as obvious as the others, which may hurt him. I think his "social" game did falter more than Red and Jiminy's games did, and that's where he lacks. Difference with him is, he had me doing a lot of the social work, and Red/Jiminy split theirs up more I think (with Red possibly having the upper hand over Jiminy on that front). Hook's game is impressive but is it enough to award?
That's my thoughts on the final 3. They're all strong in their own right, but have lacking areas in their games.
Jiminy- too haphazard in playing (abrasiveness) and poor jury management
Red- poor jury management and not enough obvious moves
Hook- not enough obvious moves and lacking social game
So... what do I do now? I still have a day to decide and I'll think more on it.
I am NOT biased! I'm really torn on this legitimately...
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Re: Jury portion of the game and my rants about it!
by The Mad Hatter Sun 4 Oct - 18:18:21
Hook was supposed to get the silver color. 
Sorry Hook!
Sorry Hook!
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